Calendar:QA Chat:2006-05-03:Log
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mschroeder: welcome back clint [09:36am] ctalbert: thans [09:36am] ctalbert: k [09:37am] ctalbert: I think it is time to start the QA chat [09:38am] ctalbert: This morning, Andreas, mschroeder , bvdbos and I went through several of the QA discussion needed bugs. The only ones of those that are left are just in a pending state depending on testing that needs to be done. [09:38am] ulf|away joined the chat room. [09:39am] ulf|away is now known as ulf. [09:39am] ctalbert: We had a small test day on Tuesday. I don't know exactly how many people participated since I was not involved, but it looks like we ran 62 tests and filed 5 bugs [09:39am] ctalbert: Omar won the test day [09:40am] ulf: great! congrats! [09:40am] ctalbert: We are about to release a pre-release 0.5. I don't think it is the full RC just yet though. [09:40am] ctalbert: As far as I know the 10.3 Mac issue still blocks [09:41am] ulf: and Andreas found another critical one [09:41am] ctalbert: Which one was that? [09:42am] • ctalbert hopes to finally catch up on email today [09:42am] mschroeder: bug 379462 [09:42am] Andreas: bug 379462 [09:42am] firebot: mschroeder: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=379462 cri, --, Lightning 0.5, michael.buettner@sun.com, ASSI, Changing timezone of event in various timezones isn't possible [09:42am] ssitter: I think we should enable branding for the pre-RC, this way we can get test coverage on this topic now [09:42am] ulf: thx. [09:42am] ctalbert: ssitter: test coverage on branding, or test coverage on the issue in 379462? [09:43am] ssitter: branding topics [09:43am] ctalbert: I agree. What do we have to do change that? iirc, it is a setting in the mozconfig on the tinderbox, right? [09:44am] ssitter: yes, I think you have to change some configs in cvs [09:44am] • ssitter points to lilmatt [09:45am] ctalbert: I'll take it up with him. (I think he's out here on the west coast somewhere and may not be awake yet) [09:46am] ctalbert: Nice find, Andreas, by the way. [09:46am] Andreas: thanks [09:46am] ctalbert: ssitter, are we waiting for the full RC to do all the rest of the things on your list? [09:46am] ctalbert: (l10n, turn off fx support, etc) [09:47am] ssitter: as I understand the meeting notes from yesterday it will be as small as possible, so probably no l10n [09:47am] ctalbert: ok. [09:48am] mschroeder: Why isn't fx support turned off by default? [09:48am] ssitter: afaik for development testing in Firefox [09:48am] ctalbert: A very good question. I think it's because jminta was sort of working on an experimental version of Lightning for Firefox [09:49am] ctalbert: I think there is also a shortcut to loading lightning in firefox so you don't have to load it in Thunderbird, but I've never used it. [09:49am] ssitter: for the last releases it was temporary disabled during release building [09:49am] ctalbert: I think we should continue disabling the firefox support for release [09:50am] ctalbert: So, should we move on to have a look at the QA Wanted list? [09:51am] ssitter: just a note on 379462 again, I think we need a decision if this is a blocker asap [09:51am] ctalbert: The list, sorted by severity: http://tinyurl.com/yrfbzk [09:52am] ctalbert: Bug 367822 is first [09:52am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=367822 cri, --, ---, nobody@mozilla.org, NEW, Sunbird 0.3 may corrupt remote calendar if closed while popup alarm box is active [09:52am] ssitter: for me it looks like the same issue is in 0.3.1, at least in Sunbird, maybe even 0.3 [09:54am] ctalbert: I would believe it. Has anyone tried this since bug 355755 was fixed? [09:54am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355755 nor, --, Sunbird 0.5, daniel.boelzle@sun.com, RESO FIXED, Alarms are dismissed when Sunbird is closed [09:55am] ctalbert: sounds like we should try it with a current nightly and if it still happens, note it and clear the QAWanted status. [09:56am] ssitter: sebo I think, see comment 4 [09:57am] ctalbert: heh, I didn't see the date on that comment [09:57am] ssitter: now the problem don't appear 'automatically', only if you force it 'manually' [09:58am] ctalbert: ok. Then I'll decrease the severity on it to major, and remove QAWanted sound good? [09:58am] ssitter: according to Bug 328810 Sunbird should wait for write to finish [09:58am] firebot: ssitter: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=328810 maj, --, ---, jminta@gmail.com, RESO FIXED, shutting down calendar doesn't wait for in-progress writes to finish [09:59am] ssitter: but in this case the write starts after the shutdown was started if I understand correctly [10:00am] ssitter: so the mechanism above doesn't seem to intercept this [10:00am] ssitter: ctalbert: yeah, I think so too [10:01am] ctalbert: cool. I added your comments there as well. [10:01am] ctalbert: bug 372287 is next...oh wait. we know that one [10:01am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=372287 cri, --, ---, lilmatt@flock.com, NEW, Sunbird crashes on open in Mac OS 10.3, works in Mac OS 10.4 [10:02am] ctalbert: I'll dig around up here in the QA lab and see if there are any 10.3 boxes [10:02am] ctalbert: next up is bug 320362 [10:02am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=320362 maj, --, ---, nobody@mozilla.org, UNCO, Unable to subscribe to remote calendar [10:03am] mschroeder: daniel attached a patch to the MacOSX 10.3 bug today [10:03am] • ctalbert looks [10:04am] ctalbert: Hmm...that does look promising based on how lilmatt described the problem [10:05am] ctalbert: On to bug 320362 [10:06am] ctalbert: mschroeder: This is another one of those "sharing profile between linux and windows" issues [10:06am] ctalbert: that we discussed earlier [10:06am] ctalbert: That means that 320362, 357493, 354674 may all be somewhat related. [10:07am] ctalbert: My idea is that one of us with a dual boot system should figure out if/how to share the profile between windows and linux and then publish that as the standard way to do this. That might help resolve some of these bugs. [10:08am] ctalbert: I don't think this is a common configuration for most people, but we do seem to have several folks out there that are trying it. [10:10am] ctalbert: I think this should be easily solved if people can share a set of ICS files between the two OS's, rather than attempting to share profiles between the OS's. [10:10am] ctalbert: If we have a published mechanism for doing this (sharing ICS's etc) then we can WONTFIX the rest of these. (Or make them post-1.0 bugs) [10:12am] ctalbert: In this bug, this guy is essentially trying to create a local calendar over the network. [10:12am] ssitter: is this a calendar bug or a mozStorage bug? [10:13am] ctalbert: good question I'm not sure [10:14am] ctalbert: It was orignally reported when we were just using ICS as the backend store [10:15am] ctalbert: Then in 2006 it the guy trying to create a local calendar over a NFS mount comes into the picture [10:15am] ctalbert: What do ya'll think we should do with this? [10:16am] ssitter: comment #0 mentions storage.sdb, so it's already using mozstorage [10:16am] ctalbert: oh duh, you're right [10:16am] ssitter: I'd say mark it for retest as you suggested [10:16am] ctalbert: ok. I'll do that [10:16am] mschroeder: +1 [10:17am] ssitter: if it can be confirmed decide where the bug belongs to [10:17am] ctalbert: right. Ok. bug 356269 is next, see what ya'll think I'm going to quickly update 320362 [10:17am] ssitter: might be worth to also test with firefox that also used mozstorage but for different files [10:18am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356269 maj, --, ---, nobody@mozilla.org, NEW, localization will not work Lightning are always english [10:19am] ssitter: this is wfm for me but reproduced by others -> retest with 0.5 l10n Lightning as written in comment 17 [10:22am] ctalbert: ah yes, indeed [10:22am] ctalbert: bug 359796 is next [10:22am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359796 maj, --, ---, nobody@mozilla.org, NEW, Alarms fire too early, ignoring timezone settings [10:25am] firebot: New Calendar - Lightning Only bug 379622 filed by lists@fairsky.us. [10:25am] firebot: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=379622 nor, --, ---, nobody@mozilla.org, UNCO, in calendar view, impossible to get back to email with keyboard (tab) [10:26am] ctalbert: As far as I can tell, 359796 doesn't look like it needs more QA. It seems to be an issue calculating the alarm time when you have recurring all day events. Which is a point where RFC 2445 is a little vague. [10:26am] ctalbert: I think we should remove QAWanted. I think there are more than enough examples here. [10:27am] mschroeder: Archaeopteryx comments at the end sound like the alarm timer/hibernation problem [10:28am] ctalbert: Which one? [10:28am] mschroeder: that's alarms appearing later, not earlier (comment#26) [10:29am] ctalbert: true [10:29am] mschroeder: Where did he get "TZID=/Mozilla.org/BasicTimezones/GMT" in his ics files from? [10:30am] ctalbert: I dunno [10:30am] ctalbert: He's using 0.5pre he says [10:31am] ctalbert: Archaeopteryx: ping [10:31am] ctalbert: I'll talk to him about this [10:31am] mschroeder: okay [10:31am] ctalbert: and we'll leave the bug as it stands for now. [10:32am] ctalbert: Looks like we're about out of time. [10:32am] ctalbert: Is there anything else folks want to bring up? [10:33am] mschroeder: I already installed stable webcalendar 1.0.5 for two of the qa discussion needed bugs and will install the development version 1.1.2 (which has full timezone support) [10:33am] ctalbert: Awesome. And, so the version these folks were probably using did *not* have full timezone support. [10:33am] ctalbert: Thanks, mschroeder [10:33am] mschroeder: only offset [10:34am] ctalbert: yikes [10:34am] mschroeder: you can set an offset or take it from the server [10:34am] ctalbert: I see [10:35am] ctalbert: Ok, well this ends the QA Chat. Keep up the good work. Need to make sure 0.5 is a good release. I'll probably more and more available as I start to get a handle on my new job here. [10:36am] ctalbert: Thanks a lot for all ya'll do.mschroeder: welcome back clint [09:36am] ctalbert: thans [09:36am] ctalbert: k [09:37am] ctalbert: I think it is time to start the QA chat [09:38am] ctalbert: This morning, Andreas, mschroeder , bvdbos and I went through several of the QA discussion needed bugs. The only ones of those that are left are just in a pending state depending on testing that needs to be done. [09:38am] ulf|away joined the chat room. [09:39am] ulf|away is now known as ulf. [09:39am] ctalbert: We had a small test day on Tuesday. I don't know exactly how many people participated since I was not involved, but it looks like we ran 62 tests and filed 5 bugs [09:39am] ctalbert: Omar won the test day [09:40am] ulf: great! congrats! [09:40am] ctalbert: We are about to release a pre-release 0.5. I don't think it is the full RC just yet though. [09:40am] ctalbert: As far as I know the 10.3 Mac issue still blocks [09:41am] ulf: and Andreas found another critical one [09:41am] ctalbert: Which one was that? [09:42am] • ctalbert hopes to finally catch up on email today [09:42am] mschroeder: bug 379462 [09:42am] Andreas: bug 379462 [09:42am] firebot: mschroeder: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=379462 cri, --, Lightning 0.5, michael.buettner@sun.com, ASSI, Changing timezone of event in various timezones isn't possible [09:42am] ssitter: I think we should enable branding for the pre-RC, this way we can get test coverage on this topic now [09:42am] ulf: thx. [09:42am] ctalbert: ssitter: test coverage on branding, or test coverage on the issue in 379462? [09:43am] ssitter: branding topics [09:43am] ctalbert: I agree. What do we have to do change that? iirc, it is a setting in the mozconfig on the tinderbox, right? [09:44am] ssitter: yes, I think you have to change some configs in cvs [09:44am] • ssitter points to lilmatt [09:45am] ctalbert: I'll take it up with him. (I think he's out here on the west coast somewhere and may not be awake yet) [09:46am] ctalbert: Nice find, Andreas, by the way. [09:46am] Andreas: thanks [09:46am] ctalbert: ssitter, are we waiting for the full RC to do all the rest of the things on your list? [09:46am] ctalbert: (l10n, turn off fx support, etc) [09:47am] ssitter: as I understand the meeting notes from yesterday it will be as small as possible, so probably no l10n [09:47am] ctalbert: ok. [09:48am] mschroeder: Why isn't fx support turned off by default? [09:48am] ssitter: afaik for development testing in Firefox [09:48am] ctalbert: A very good question. I think it's because jminta was sort of working on an experimental version of Lightning for Firefox [09:49am] ctalbert: I think there is also a shortcut to loading lightning in firefox so you don't have to load it in Thunderbird, but I've never used it. [09:49am] ssitter: for the last releases it was temporary disabled during release building [09:49am] ctalbert: I think we should continue disabling the firefox support for release [09:50am] ctalbert: So, should we move on to have a look at the QA Wanted list? [09:51am] ssitter: just a note on 379462 again, I think we need a decision if this is a blocker asap [09:51am] ctalbert: The list, sorted by severity: http://tinyurl.com/yrfbzk [09:52am] ctalbert: Bug 367822 is first [09:52am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=367822 cri, --, ---, nobody@mozilla.org, NEW, Sunbird 0.3 may corrupt remote calendar if closed while popup alarm box is active [09:52am] ssitter: for me it looks like the same issue is in 0.3.1, at least in Sunbird, maybe even 0.3 [09:54am] ctalbert: I would believe it. Has anyone tried this since bug 355755 was fixed? [09:54am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355755 nor, --, Sunbird 0.5, daniel.boelzle@sun.com, RESO FIXED, Alarms are dismissed when Sunbird is closed [09:55am] ctalbert: sounds like we should try it with a current nightly and if it still happens, note it and clear the QAWanted status. [09:56am] ssitter: sebo I think, see comment 4 [09:57am] ctalbert: heh, I didn't see the date on that comment [09:57am] ssitter: now the problem don't appear 'automatically', only if you force it 'manually' [09:58am] ctalbert: ok. Then I'll decrease the severity on it to major, and remove QAWanted sound good? [09:58am] ssitter: according to Bug 328810 Sunbird should wait for write to finish [09:58am] firebot: ssitter: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=328810 maj, --, ---, jminta@gmail.com, RESO FIXED, shutting down calendar doesn't wait for in-progress writes to finish [09:59am] ssitter: but in this case the write starts after the shutdown was started if I understand correctly [10:00am] ssitter: so the mechanism above doesn't seem to intercept this [10:00am] ssitter: ctalbert: yeah, I think so too [10:01am] ctalbert: cool. I added your comments there as well. [10:01am] ctalbert: bug 372287 is next...oh wait. we know that one [10:01am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=372287 cri, --, ---, lilmatt@flock.com, NEW, Sunbird crashes on open in Mac OS 10.3, works in Mac OS 10.4 [10:02am] ctalbert: I'll dig around up here in the QA lab and see if there are any 10.3 boxes [10:02am] ctalbert: next up is bug 320362 [10:02am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=320362 maj, --, ---, nobody@mozilla.org, UNCO, Unable to subscribe to remote calendar [10:03am] mschroeder: daniel attached a patch to the MacOSX 10.3 bug today [10:03am] • ctalbert looks [10:04am] ctalbert: Hmm...that does look promising based on how lilmatt described the problem [10:05am] ctalbert: On to bug 320362 [10:06am] ctalbert: mschroeder: This is another one of those "sharing profile between linux and windows" issues [10:06am] ctalbert: that we discussed earlier [10:06am] ctalbert: That means that 320362, 357493, 354674 may all be somewhat related. [10:07am] ctalbert: My idea is that one of us with a dual boot system should figure out if/how to share the profile between windows and linux and then publish that as the standard way to do this. That might help resolve some of these bugs. [10:08am] ctalbert: I don't think this is a common configuration for most people, but we do seem to have several folks out there that are trying it. [10:10am] ctalbert: I think this should be easily solved if people can share a set of ICS files between the two OS's, rather than attempting to share profiles between the OS's. [10:10am] ctalbert: If we have a published mechanism for doing this (sharing ICS's etc) then we can WONTFIX the rest of these. (Or make them post-1.0 bugs) [10:12am] ctalbert: In this bug, this guy is essentially trying to create a local calendar over the network. [10:12am] ssitter: is this a calendar bug or a mozStorage bug? [10:13am] ctalbert: good question I'm not sure [10:14am] ctalbert: It was orignally reported when we were just using ICS as the backend store [10:15am] ctalbert: Then in 2006 it the guy trying to create a local calendar over a NFS mount comes into the picture [10:15am] ctalbert: What do ya'll think we should do with this? [10:16am] ssitter: comment #0 mentions storage.sdb, so it's already using mozstorage [10:16am] ctalbert: oh duh, you're right [10:16am] ssitter: I'd say mark it for retest as you suggested [10:16am] ctalbert: ok. I'll do that [10:16am] mschroeder: +1 [10:17am] ssitter: if it can be confirmed decide where the bug belongs to [10:17am] ctalbert: right. Ok. bug 356269 is next, see what ya'll think I'm going to quickly update 320362 [10:17am] ssitter: might be worth to also test with firefox that also used mozstorage but for different files [10:18am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356269 maj, --, ---, nobody@mozilla.org, NEW, localization will not work Lightning are always english [10:19am] ssitter: this is wfm for me but reproduced by others -> retest with 0.5 l10n Lightning as written in comment 17 [10:22am] ctalbert: ah yes, indeed [10:22am] ctalbert: bug 359796 is next [10:22am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359796 maj, --, ---, nobody@mozilla.org, NEW, Alarms fire too early, ignoring timezone settings [10:25am] firebot: New Calendar - Lightning Only bug 379622 filed by lists@fairsky.us. [10:25am] firebot: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=379622 nor, --, ---, nobody@mozilla.org, UNCO, in calendar view, impossible to get back to email with keyboard (tab) [10:26am] ctalbert: As far as I can tell, 359796 doesn't look like it needs more QA. It seems to be an issue calculating the alarm time when you have recurring all day events. Which is a point where RFC 2445 is a little vague. [10:26am] ctalbert: I think we should remove QAWanted. I think there are more than enough examples here. [10:27am] mschroeder: Archaeopteryx comments at the end sound like the alarm timer/hibernation problem [10:28am] ctalbert: Which one? [10:28am] mschroeder: that's alarms appearing later, not earlier (comment#26) [10:29am] ctalbert: true [10:29am] mschroeder: Where did he get "TZID=/Mozilla.org/BasicTimezones/GMT" in his ics files from? [10:30am] ctalbert: I dunno [10:30am] ctalbert: He's using 0.5pre he says [10:31am] ctalbert: Archaeopteryx: ping [10:31am] ctalbert: I'll talk to him about this [10:31am] mschroeder: okay [10:31am] ctalbert: and we'll leave the bug as it stands for now. [10:32am] ctalbert: Looks like we're about out of time. [10:32am] ctalbert: Is there anything else folks want to bring up? [10:33am] mschroeder: I already installed stable webcalendar 1.0.5 for two of the qa discussion needed bugs and will install the development version 1.1.2 (which has full timezone support) [10:33am] ctalbert: Awesome. And, so the version these folks were probably using did *not* have full timezone support. [10:33am] ctalbert: Thanks, mschroeder [10:33am] mschroeder: only offset [10:34am] ctalbert: yikes [10:34am] mschroeder: you can set an offset or take it from the server [10:34am] ctalbert: I see [10:35am] ctalbert: Ok, well this ends the QA Chat. Keep up the good work. Need to make sure 0.5 is a good release. I'll probably more and more available as I start to get a handle on my new job here. [10:36am] ctalbert: Thanks a lot for all ya'll do.
