Calendar:QA Chat:2007-07-26:Log

ctalbert: Hello, sorry I'm late
[09:44am] • ctalbert is still eluded by CA traffic
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[09:46am] ctalbert: There are 4 QA discussion bugs, but in yesterday's meeting, 
Daniel asked if we could take a look at the proposed 0.7 blockers and go through 
those to find out which ones we *really* need in the product and which ones we can
 minus for now
[09:47am] ctalbert: So, I propose that we look at the blockers first.
[09:47am] ctalbert: Here is the list: http://tinyurl.com/3dpbpp
[09:48am] ctalbert: First bug is bug 356569
[09:48am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356569 
enh, --, ---, Berend.Cornelius@sun.com, NEW, [proto subscriptions] No ability to view
 other people's calendars (i.e. calendars I have subscribed
[09:50am] ctalbert: ulf, andreas: This is a WCAP issue, and I'm not sure how important
 it is, and how much it does or does not hold up future WCAP development.  What do you think?
[09:50am] ulf: ctalbert: I think it is indeed blocking
[09:51am] ulf: having other people's calendar subscribed is a fundamental feature in
 WCAP
[09:51am] ctalbert: That sounds like it should be +'d then.
[09:51am] ulf: Btw. we already have a patch for that internal which afaik needs only
 review (?)
[09:51am] ctalbert: good!
[09:52am] ctalbert: What about the next one: bug 376585?
[09:52am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376585 
nor, --, ---, Berend.Cornelius@sun.com, NEW, [Proto] Subscription Dialog - Adding more 
than one calendar at once is not possible
[09:52am] ctalbert: It sounds like the UI for the first one
[09:52am] ctalbert: s/first one/ 356569
[09:53am] ulf: hm, that's not convenient, but shouldn't necessarily block
[09:53am] ctalbert: I would be happy to get the functionality in place for 0.7 with a
 marginal UI, and fix the UI post-0.7
[09:53am] ctalbert: ok.  I'll + 356569, and minus 376585.
[09:53am] ulf: sounds good
[09:54am] firebot: ctalbert@mozilla.com denied blocking-calendar0.7 on bug 376585.
[09:55am] firebot: ctalbert@mozilla.com granted blocking-calendar0.7 on bug 356569.
[09:56am] ctalbert: bug 368976 is next
[09:56am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=368976
 nor, --, ---, daniel.boelzle@sun.com, NEW, Cannot undefine alarm for an exception
[09:57am] ulf: surely a bug, but again not necessarily blocking, imo
[09:57am] ctalbert: This one sounds like a core codebase issue, and is probably something
 we should resolve in 0.7.  It might be particularly easier now since the RFC 2445 has
  gone to final draft.
[09:58am] ulf: fine with me
[09:58am] ctalbert: Hmm...
[09:58am] ctalbert: Let's take it.  And I'll note that this might be lower priority 
to fix than something else.
[09:59am] firebot: ctalbert@mozilla.com granted blocking-calendar0.7 on bug 368976.
[09:59am] ulf: right, one alarm too much doesn't really hurt
[10:00am] ctalbert: next bug is bug 385896
[10:00am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385896
 min, --, ---, michael.buettner@sun.com, NEW, [Proto] reminder '1 week before' doesn't work
[10:01am] ctalbert: Wow, this sounds like a very easy bug to fix
[10:01am] ctalbert: but that can sometimes be decieving.
[10:01am] ulf: Andy?
[10:01am] Andreas: hm, good question
[10:02am] ctalbert: If we keep that feature in the UI then it should block, in my 
opinion.
[10:02am] ulf: right, ugly UI bug with potential data loss
[10:03am] ctalbert: But, I think it *should* be easier to fix it than to take it out
 of the UI.
[10:03am] Andreas: yes, I agree
[10:03am] ulf: ctalbert: that's what I'd hope also
[10:04am] firebot: ctalbert@mozilla.com granted blocking-calendar0.7 on bug 385896.
[10:04am] ulf: ctalbert: what about bug 322458
[10:05am] firebot: ulf: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322458 nor,
 --, ---, michael.buettner@sun.com, ASSI, BYSETPOS not considered when getting occurrences
[10:05am] ctalbert: firebot takes his sweet time
[10:05am] firebot: ctalbert: Sorry, I've no idea what 'takes his sweet time' might be.
[10:05am] ulf:
[10:06am] ctalbert: ulf: That one is a very difficult fix.  The problem here is that 
the underlying libical code does not implment BYSETPOS.
[10:06am] ctalbert: I don't think my approach that I outline in that bug is the correct
 way to go either, wrt. performance.
[10:07am] ulf: right, we should ask Mickey whether he sees a chance to get that fixed
 for 0.7. What do you think?
[10:07am] ctalbert: Right, or Daniel or mvl.
[10:07am] ctalbert: I think my big hairy fix will be the timezone bug fix.
[10:08am] ctalbert: If I get the timezone thing resolved and have time left over, I'll
 look into this.  I think it should remain ? for now
[10:08am] ulf: sounds good
[10:08am] ctalbert: bug 195580 is next
[10:09am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=195580
 nor, --, ---, nobody@mozilla.org, NEW, Can't use delete button and key to delete task
  or calendar
[10:10am] ctalbert: We need to ping christian about this one (see my question to him 
in the last comment)
[10:11am] ctalbert: I'd say until the UI is finalized and we check against that, we 
leave it ?
[10:12am] ctalbert: bug 199732 is next
[10:12am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199732 
nor, --, ---, nobody@mozilla.org, NEW, Events spanning days are seen as multiple events
 (display)
[10:13am] ulf: again something Christian's work is needed first?
[10:14am] ulf: or his thoughts on this?
[10:15am] ctalbert: It sounds like he's done the UI review.  I think the developer
 bailed on us.
[10:16am] ctalbert: If I had to pick which ones I would want to take, I'd rather take 
the war on boxes bug than this one.
[10:16am] ctalbert: But, it's not clear to me what the status of war on boxes is.
[10:16am] ulf: and we leave this one for Christian for an UI proposal first?
[10:17am] ulf: ctalbert: war on boxes: I thought Mickey had a solution in his mind(?)
[10:17am] ctalbert: war on boxes is already blocking.  It's bug 304741
[10:18am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304741 
nor, --, ---, michael.buettner@sun.com, ASSI, non-colliding events too narrow on days 
with colliding events
[10:18am] ctalbert: I think 199732 will depend greatly on how 304741 is fixed.  We might
 then be able to do something better than simple arrows.
[10:19am] ulf: true
[10:19am] firebot: ssitter@gmail.com added attachment 273992 to bug 385896.
[10:19am] firebot: ssitter@gmail.com requested review from michael.buettner@sun.com 
for attachment 273992 on bug 385896.
[10:19am] firebot: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385896 min, --, 
---, ssitter@gmail.com, ASSI, [Proto] reminder '1 week before' doesn't work
[10:19am] ctalbert: I think 199732 should remain ? for now.  It's one of those things 
that is too important to not block us, but possibly too big to fit in.  Hmm...maybe 
that means it should be minused?
[10:20am] ulf: we could decide again on 199732 once we have 304741 fixed
[10:20am] ulf: ctalbert: right leave ?
[10:20am] ctalbert: sounds good.  I set 199732 to depend on 304741
[10:21am] ctalbert: bug 212792 is next
[10:21am] firebot: ctalbert: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212792 nor,
 --, ---, nobody@mozilla.org, NEW, opening a .ics attachment launches calendar window but
  fails to import calendar event from attachmen
[10:22am] ulf: ough, long description
[10:23am] ctalbert: I think that this will be a problem that a working iTIP implementation
 will solve in Lightning.  As for sunbird, iTIP won't help at all.
[10:23am] ctalbert: And based on lilmatt's last comment in the bug, it sounds like the 
architecture itself needs refactoring.
[10:24am] • ctalbert thinks -
[10:26am] ctalbert: I'm going to minus it.
[10:26am] ulf: ctalbert: what's with sebo's patch?
[10:27am] ctalbert: It has some minor issues it seems.  We could repair that and take it. 
 Then the application will at least open calendars once you double click on them.
[10:27am] ctalbert: But, it won't automatically subscribe you to those calendars.
[10:28am] ulf: I see
[10:28am] ctalbert: I'm actually not clear you'd want to be automatically subscribed to a 
calendar if you just double click on an ICS
[10:28am] ctalbert: i don't think I would
[10:28am] ctalbert: (as a user)
[10:29am] ulf: UserExperience? Should Christian work on that first?
[10:29am] ctalbert: Perhaps.  The original bug is that the user wants to do iTIP with 
Sunbird
[10:30am] ulf: which is a bigger issue, right?
[10:30am] ctalbert: That isn't going to happen.  in 0.7  Probably not until post 1.0
[10:30am] • ctalbert will need dmose's current work for firefox for that
[10:30am] ulf: right!
[10:30am] ulf: what's that?
[10:30am] ctalbert: But, we could take this patch right now as an interim step
[10:31am] ctalbert: And then the user would not have to: 1. Save ICS to hard drive 2.
 Open sunbird 3. Import ICS
[10:31am] ulf: ok
[10:31am] ctalbert: They could click on ICS and it would be in their calenar
[10:31am] ctalbert: calendar
[10:31am] ulf: clearly an improvement
[10:31am] ctalbert: dmose is currently working on out of band content/protocol handling
 for FFx 3, which could be reused to do iTIP style stuff for sunbird (I think)
[10:32am] ulf: ctalbert: thx. for the info
[10:32am] ctalbert: Ok.  Let's take it, and get Sebo to re-work his patch.
[10:32am] ulf: fine w. me!
[10:37am] firebot: New Calendar - General bug 389693 filed by ssitter@gmail.com.
[10:37am] firebot: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=389693 nor, --, ---, 
nobody@mozilla.org, NEW, [Proto] Event dialog: File->New->Event fails (Error: args.onNewEvent
 is not a function)
[10:37am] firebot: ctalbert@mozilla.com granted blocking-calendar0.7 on bug 212792.
[10:37am] firebot: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212792 nor, --, ---, 
sebo.moz@googlemail.com, NEW, opening a .ics attachment launches calendar window but fails
 to import calendar event from attachmen
[10:37am] ctalbert: All right, I think that's all the time we have for today.
[10:37am] ctalbert: I have one other announcement.
[10:38am] ctalbert: Mshcroeder is going to take over the lead/organizing role here at 
Calendar-qa.  He has the shown himself to be quite dedicated, good at QA, and has the 
time to do so.
[10:38am] ctalbert: This doesn't mean that I am running away from the project.
[10:38am] mavo joined the chat room.
[10:39am] ctalbert: This means that I will have time to focus on development so that I
 can knock out some of these big bugs that are staring me in the face.  Like Timezones.
[10:39am] ctalbert: I'll still be around and active, but I won't be organizing everything 
we do (as much).
[10:40am] ulf: congrats to mschroeder and a big thank-you to Clint for all his passion
 and dedication for the calendar-qa
[10:40am] ctalbert: If anyone has questions or concerns about that please feel free to
 ping/email/call/skype me.
[10:40am] ctalbert: Thanks ulf
[10:41am] mavo: Hello everybody! Ulf invited me a few days before.
[10:41am] ctalbert: Hi mavo, welcome.
[10:42am] mavo: Thanx!
[10:42am] ulf: mavo: HI! nice to see you
[10:42am] mavo: Hi Ulf! So , at least i mastered the heights of chatting...:o)
[10:43am] ulf: mavo: cool!
[10:43am] ctalbert: We just completed our weekly thursday calendar-qa chat.  The notes 
for it will shortly be uploaded to the Meeting Log link on this page:
 http://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:QA_Chat:2007-07-26
[10:44am] damian joined the chat room.
[10:44am] ctalbert: Oh, I should also mention to mavo and everyone else, we're doing 
another test day next Tuesday.  Martin is working out the details, and we should have 
a blog post about it this afternoon (my time).
[10:44am] ulf: very nice!
[10:45am] ctalbert: next tuesday == July 31