Labs/Bespin/StatusMeetings/2009-11-11

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Bespin Reboot Project Update

  • Wednesday, November 11 - 10:00am Pacific, 1:00pm Eastern, 18:00 UTC
  • Aiming to have the call on Skype, due to superior sound quality
  • Contact BlazingThings (Kevin Dangoor) on Skype
  • #bespin for backchannel

If you have trouble with Skype, feel free to email kdangoor@mozilla.com or get in touch with kdangoor on IRC and we can use the standard phone conference bridge as well.

Meeting Notes

  • Reboot Recap
    • The purpose of the project is to move part of Bespin out of the "experiment" phase and onward to something more usable in the real world
    • Process changes: code review, docs and unit tests
    • Rebuild around plugins
    • CommonJS modules (potential server-side plugins)
    • SproutCore GUI toolkit
    • Bespin Embedded becomes a first class citizen
    • Non-goals: redoing the UI, major server-side changes
  • Reboot status
    • Lots of code shuffling in the repo!
    • New packages: bespin, bespin-supported, bespin-labs
      • supported are plugins that are, at this time, core parts of the user experience and relatively stable
      • labs are plugins that are not yet stable
    • Everything is in CommonJS modules
    • the scrollbars in the editor have been broken out into a separate SC component so that we can use the framework properly
    • the editor now supports the standard SC ScrollView interface, so you can actually swap out the scrollbars
    • New docs
    • Starting of new tests
    • Bespin Embedded preview release this week
      • will have bugs, but largely work
      • first actual downloadable tarball with docs and everything, ready to place on your site.
  • Roadmap
    • Need to bring back the rest of bespin.mozilla.com
    • Next week, the server will be re-attached for login
    • Plugins and command line to follow in the couple of weeks after that
    • Likely some intermediate releases of Bespin Embedded
    • Shooting for December 15th to release Bespin 0.6 on bespin.mozilla.com.
      • Won't necessarily have all of the features of the current bespin.mozilla.com
      • Will have *enough* of the features, and some nice new changes (including plugins)

Questions

  • Julian: Concern about the size, with SproutCore specifically
    • Kevin: Current size is 700k, can be slimmed down a lot. Aiming for same size as old build
  • Julian: Can we use SproutCore require?
    • Kevin: We're going to manually trim packages for now
  • Julian: Can we have Bespin without SproutCore?
    • Kevin: No
  • cers (IRC): Will SproutCore fix the I18N problems?
    • Kevin: Probably not, but we will
  • robotarmy (IRC): Is SproutCore replacing Dojo?
    • Kevin/Joe: Yes
  • Julian: What happened to version 0.5?
    • Kevin: The first embedded release will be 0.5. Then the first rebooted full release will be 0.6. Then 1.0 will be fairly soon after then.
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