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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=11&month=10&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 11 October, 2016, 12:00 UTC]
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):
== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''
=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.
'''NEW'''
* Firefox 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. We need to decide if we want to do a regular ESR release from ESR52 after 2.48. Not sure if we should start to do trial ESR 2.42 builds because ESR 45 is still based on VS2013. '''frg''' has done some local builds using a version scheme 2.xx.xesr eg. currently 2.42.4esr.
'''OPEN'''
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. IanN is planning to circulate a new version of the project areas.
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* —
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===
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* Various Bugs open for building.
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed.
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Windows building on the loaner works.
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.
* [27th September 2016]
** All nightlies are currently running (but patch is manually applied to master) ({{bug|1299078}})
** [comm-central]:
*** Linux*: Green
*** Windows: Busted by {{bug|1305658}}.
*** OSX64: Orange.
** [comm-aurora]:
*** Linux*: Green
*** OSX64: Busted ({{bug|1299010}})
** [comm-beta]
*** Linux32 Build: Busted. possibly {{bug|1293928}}.. (retriggered... busted on -5... busted on -6, but ok with -10. So this could be a system issue.)
*** Others: Pretty much green/orange.
** [comm-release]:
*** Green/Orange.
* Notes:
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
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=== Release Train ===
* Next release will be 2.46 (no ETA yet), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.
** IanN will give ewong the final cSets for building 2.46. '''To ensure that the final release will be out as fast as possible ewong has given the green light to do trial builds with the current tips to iron out any problems with the build system.'''
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.
** {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. '''does it still?''' Currently only a workaround exists.
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}. There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time. A patch for gtk2 should be trivial. It just has to land on comm-release prior to building. A one-liner for each mozconfig if we do not have a common one ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Merges have been performed September 19th (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release has merged already September 5th with subsequent uplifts).
** Additional l10n merges need to be done by the release manager (de at last is not up to date in release)
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.
** Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.-->
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
==== 2.40 current release ====
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* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]
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==== 2.Next ====
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
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* Current breakages):
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}. frg will ask mconley for help.
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1.
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. This will ride the release train, thus allowing users to enable it for testing, hopefully it'll be ready when trunk hits release.
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.
** This bug is dead as the next iteration of AMO will not be offering seamonkey specific content. Will be removed from the next status meeting notes.
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.
* [rsx11m] will open a bug for certificate pinning. It is unclear if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey after {{bug|1019259}}. ''→{{bug|1305902}}''
=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 13 new, 9 fixed, 5 triaged.
* low triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929>=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 61 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch
** {{Bug|1303827}} Move Windows XP to Firefox ESR 52
*** Gecko 51 will be the ''last'' retail version running on WinXP
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now.
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.
* [Ratty] suggests shipping The HTML Validator as a bundled extension.
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Aqualon ====
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
==== IanN ====
==== InvisibleSmiley ====
==== KaiRo ====
==== mcsmurf ====
==== Misak ====
==== Mnyromyr ====
==== Neil ====
==== Px ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Coming soon:
* {{Bug|1296433}} Improve button appearance in about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) with the default theme
** follows up on {{bug|1222818}}
Needs feedback:
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go
Filed:
* {{Bug|1305902}} consider enabling public key pinning on Seamonkey
* {{Bug|1307773}} Manage Identities window is too tall to fit monitor screen ''(MailNews)''
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].
==== sgautherie ====
==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====
=== Any other business? ===
* —
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=11&month=10&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 11 October, 2016, 12:00 UTC]
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):
== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''
=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.
'''NEW'''
* Firefox 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. We need to decide if we want to do a regular ESR release from ESR52 after 2.48. Not sure if we should start to do trial ESR 2.42 builds because ESR 45 is still based on VS2013. '''frg''' has done some local builds using a version scheme 2.xx.xesr eg. currently 2.42.4esr.
'''OPEN'''
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. IanN is planning to circulate a new version of the project areas.
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* —
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===
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* Various Bugs open for building.
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed.
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Windows building on the loaner works.
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.
* [27th September 2016]
** All nightlies are currently running (but patch is manually applied to master) ({{bug|1299078}})
** [comm-central]:
*** Linux*: Green
*** Windows: Busted by {{bug|1305658}}.
*** OSX64: Orange.
** [comm-aurora]:
*** Linux*: Green
*** OSX64: Busted ({{bug|1299010}})
** [comm-beta]
*** Linux32 Build: Busted. possibly {{bug|1293928}}.. (retriggered... busted on -5... busted on -6, but ok with -10. So this could be a system issue.)
*** Others: Pretty much green/orange.
** [comm-release]:
*** Green/Orange.
* Notes:
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —
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=== Release Train ===
* Next release will be 2.46 (no ETA yet), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.
** IanN will give ewong the final cSets for building 2.46. '''To ensure that the final release will be out as fast as possible ewong has given the green light to do trial builds with the current tips to iron out any problems with the build system.'''
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.
** {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. '''does it still?''' Currently only a workaround exists.
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}. There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time. A patch for gtk2 should be trivial. It just has to land on comm-release prior to building. A one-liner for each mozconfig if we do not have a common one ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Merges have been performed September 19th (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release has merged already September 5th with subsequent uplifts).
** Additional l10n merges need to be done by the release manager (de at last is not up to date in release)
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.
** Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.-->
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
==== 2.40 current release ====
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* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]
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==== 2.Next ====
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
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* Current breakages):
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}. frg will ask mconley for help.
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1.
<!--Please update if necessary-->
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. This will ride the release train, thus allowing users to enable it for testing, hopefully it'll be ready when trunk hits release.
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.
** This bug is dead as the next iteration of AMO will not be offering seamonkey specific content. Will be removed from the next status meeting notes.
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.
* [rsx11m] will open a bug for certificate pinning. It is unclear if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey after {{bug|1019259}}. ''→{{bug|1305902}}''
=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 13 new, 9 fixed, 5 triaged.
* low triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929>=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 61 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch
** {{Bug|1303827}} Move Windows XP to Firefox ESR 52
*** Gecko 51 will be the ''last'' retail version running on WinXP
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now.
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.
* [Ratty] suggests shipping The HTML Validator as a bundled extension.
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Aqualon ====
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
==== IanN ====
==== InvisibleSmiley ====
==== KaiRo ====
==== mcsmurf ====
==== Misak ====
==== Mnyromyr ====
==== Neil ====
==== Px ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Coming soon:
* {{Bug|1296433}} Improve button appearance in about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) with the default theme
** follows up on {{bug|1222818}}
Needs feedback:
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go
Filed:
* {{Bug|1305902}} consider enabling public key pinning on Seamonkey
* {{Bug|1307773}} Manage Identities window is too tall to fit monitor screen ''(MailNews)''
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].
==== sgautherie ====
==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====
=== Any other business? ===
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